Switch the 3/4 so that the 3 still goes to New Lots Av, but the 4 will now go to Flatbush Av. February 10, 2019 12:27pm Mark Mellone A woman was in critical condition after she ended up under a train at the Utica Avenue subway early Sunday morning, cops said. It also depends on adding a new service to Fulton, which Im all for, but as stated in the piece Eastern Parkway already has the extra service which can just be extended. With subway costs so high els may be the only way to go. And actually Flushing/Main might be up to 11th now depending on how much traffic SAS has pulled off of Lexington. On the New Lots Avenue-bound platform, the track walls have a section of yellow-orange tiles beneath the trim-line and another line of yellow tiles on the bottom of the tiled portions. Its got limitations now, sure. Now we know late nights the 3/5 dont run in Brooklyn. (Plans for a Utica Ave. subway in 1969 involved extending the IRT instead of the IND.) So thats what the future holds: deep tunnels and expensive stations. Its an extremely clever plan that I and many other would have never of came up with but there are some wholes that are worth being built up. Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. 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Gov. For a first phase, I could see going only as far as Clarendon Road and the following trackage. So theres a source of northern capacity right there. Last but not least, are the 2 and 3 doing skip stop? Alon Levy did a back-of-the-napkin estimate of how much a mostly elevated line would cost and found it a better cost per rider than even 2nd Ave. For future expansion of the system we need to be open to thinking outside the box. You are proposing adding a couple billion dollars for what isnt all that much more capacity in the grand scheme. Lest I bring on comparisons to Robert Moses I would like to point out that on the western side of Utica Ave, from the Bay Ridge Line to Flatbush Ave, there are exactly 9 residential buildings. Then a tunnel would have to be built just outside the station. On narrow right of way, place one track at ground level and the other above. The 9 residences, all located at Avenue M can all be replaced (and with new development replaced 100 times over) while the commercial and industrial buildings would all be replaced by buildings of much higher density and better uses than chop shops. With these and the IRT provisions in place Utica Ave was always so tantalizingly close. Just skip it. Skip stop on Fulton? But boring tunnels is much more common these days. CBTC will raise it higher and the E trains route is already budgeted for that in both Manhattan and Queens. Just an idea! There seems to me to be two sections of this plan: the Worth St-South 4th-Stuyvesant Ave section and the Utica Ave section. Parkchester on the 6. We have a new formula for success: were going to aim for an average team height of 5 3. 4. Av D/Utica Av is 480 yards away, 6 min walk. [9] Above is a disused portion of a mezzanine and an unfinished upper level station. Thank you. MTA. [25][26][27][28][29] Just east of this station, a bellmouth splits away from the local track on both levels, and curves south. Im not suggesting building an extension of the Crosstown Subway or tearing down the Broadway El, that is merely a reproduction of the 1931 IND plan. Crescent sections of the Jamaica line, clearing most but not all of the messy but towards one side for easy attachment to a ground level station house. The Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IND Fulton Street Line of the New York City Subway. IRT Utica only needs a simple switch added to Rogers Junction to start running. For future expansion of the system we need to be open to thinking outside the box. I was talking with someone at the MTA and they mentioned that the planners were playing with the idea of building the relay along side the Bay Ridge because there was more space/cheaper than extending a tunnel south. Youre less likely to be the goat. Today, police released a photo of the suspect, who is still at large. No doubt they will propose some deep bore subway with expensive stations that will take a decade or more to build. There were blocked stairways up from the platform level to the upper level that were removed during the station's renovation. The only 3 trains dont go to Brooklyn late nights. Median not wide enough for a true viaduct? Construction commenced on Contract 2 on March 4, 1903. Also, Utica Av(or Malcolm X Blvd because a BMT Line is past Fulton St)becomes smaller past Fulton St, so instead of one lane being ripped up, a whole street would be ripped up, causing the B46 to be detoured north of Fulton St. An elevated line would be a bad idea too, because north of Fulton St is just 2-story Pre-War homes, and the rooftops are around the same height as the tracks. That leaves the Broadway portion SAS-Grand Central future awkward? Unlike the Utica Ave stretch, the Flatbush Ave structure would run along the center of the street on a modern concrete viaduct (similar to what the AirTrain uses long Van Wyck Expressway). The Utica provisions at Fulton are on the upper level and cross perpendicular to the lower platforms. subways or open cut sections. Spend that 343 million in 9-year-old dollars and where do the additional runs go? There was a gas station, a gift shop, and Valentine's diner in the post. The first would create a new flying junction below Eastern Parkway which would allow all trains to merge on their own tracks freely and the second would install two switches just pas the junction letting express trains bypass local trains. Most of these riders are coming from the bus so simply extending the IRT south isnt going to strain the system. Using the IRT as the basis for a Utica Avenue line is much more feasible. And its not a good alternative to the Lex, for the East Side, since the Lex is both more direct and has express trains. The 5 train doesnt run in Brooklyn on late nights and weekends. Nostrand is also a major corridor, and demand would be enough for both buses and subway. So while not impossible it is more complicated and it is dependent on an additional service running down Fulton. I highly disagree with connecting SAS to Nassau. Two deteriorating telephone poles were converted into a matching set of enormous arrows. 14 St. W 14 St and 7th Ave, W 13 St and 7th Ave, W 12 St and 7th Ave. Two island platforms. So that means that you are going to build a trunk line that is supposed to take pressure off the L that can only run 10-12tph. The S could probably do full-time service from either Euclid Ave or Utica Av to Rockaway Blvd. Members hailed the decision to save the station, and were encouraged by the public response to the Adirondack operation, despite its ultimate bankruptcy. Even 2nd Ave had to take a few buildings for ventilation plants. The junction is built awkwardly where the tunnels are twisting in such a way to become bi-level. The line was proposed to cut across town to Columbus Circle, one avenue block away. I outlined my plans for 2nd Ave in a previous post but one thing I only mentioned in passion was how Phase 4 could be achieved cheaper if it was connected to Nassau St after Chatham Sq (as in, 2nd Ave would not connect to Centre St by Bowery by to Nassau St by Chambers). And another commenter hit upon phasing. The victim was found. But whats your obsession with rerouting the 6th Ave Express to replace (J)/(M) trains? The full-time side at the eastern (railroad south) end has two staircases from each platform going up to a crossover (the western ones go up to a ramp that leads to the main fare control area), where a turnstile bank and two exit-only turnstiles provide access to and from the station. This station is compliant with the 1990 Americans With Disabilities Act. The upper platform serves southbound trains, with local tracks to the west and express tracks to the east, and the lower platform serves northbound trains with a similar configuration. Both Fulton/8th Ave. and Eastern Pkwy/Broadway 7th routes hit up with all three major employment destinations. Kind of surprising the Fulton line was left out of it. See the problem? Though Id suggest building a peak direction track on Utica Similar to the 6 and 7 lines. ; Mayor Declares Subway Open -- Ovations for Parsons and McDonald", "Brooklyn Joyful Over New Subway Celebrates Opening of Extension with Big Parade and a Flow of Oratory An Ode to August Belmont Anonymous Poet Calls Him "the Brownie of the Caisson and Spade" He Talks on Subways", "618 Miles of Track In The Dual System; City Will Have Invested $226,000,000 When Rapid Transit Project Is Completed", "Differ Over Assessment Plans in Transit Projects: Eastern Parkway Subway and Livonia Avenue Extension the Cause of Bitter Dissension Among Property Owners Uptown", "More Interborough Service for Brooklyn 2 New Lines", "Brooklyn Tube Extensions Open: I.R.T. At its peak, it had more than 50 businesses.. I like the basic idea. Its a dense, transit dependent corridor with a recently opened and popular Select Bus Service line and the Utica Ave stations on the 3/4 and A/C have some of the highest ridership on their respective lines. 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The A/C line in Brooklyn cant be tampered with, because both trains are crowded during rush hours, and the A or C cant be diverted before Broadway Junction, because then at the nearest express station, your going to see a huge crowd, and the point of Broadway Junction is to drop off the passangers to other trains to get home or to get to work. south of 63rd V from Bypass to Utica via Williamsburg, 15 TPH each. When would you see it converted to that? [18], On November 22, 1920, the first portion of the IRT New Lots Line opened between Utica Avenue and Junius Street opened on November 22, 1920, with shuttle trains operating over this route. You could replace Lafayette Ave with a new station that joins the fray and then shares track with the R. All tunnels built after the original subway were built to B Division standards. The IRT built their Utica Ave station west of Utica Ave with turnouts in the track walls so that a branch could split. This would provide more flexibility, even though all the lines that would be connected have transfers to each other at Fulton Street in Manhattan. There are no flaws in this plan. Lower track becomes less of a climb. station. The Livonia Avenue branch line, known as Route No. The current switch layout requires that local trains merge directly in front of express trains causing delays and capacity constrains. Between Avenue O and Fillmore St is an MTA bus maintenance facility which can be rebuilt to have a small yard on the roof. Late nights a shuttle will run from Franklin Av to New Lots Av. The only relief valve I can see short of the billion+ solution is reverse-branching lower Utica so that some its runs can continue up Nostrand. I would have to strongly object to abandoning Phase IV; that still leaves the entire SAS and Sixth Av LES stations without a direct connection to downtown (and thus fails the objective of relieving the Lex), leaves Water St underserved despite heavy employment density, and subjects SAS to the whims of the DeKalb interlocking. Even the New Lots branch doesnt have a third track and you could argue it needs one more than this. IRT 4 or 5 express will have higher headways than Fulton anyway you slice it so the smaller cars are offset with more of them. Diamond crossover tracks exist west (railroad north) of the station for northbound trains and east for southbound trains. Imagine what kinds of service could be offered if that block-long tunnel was ever built! Remember, the Astoria line was originally built to IRT standards but was converted to BMT loading gauge (by shaving the wooden platforms) so that the N/R (depending on the era) could go direct to Astoria. Mayor Bill de Blasio has asked the Metropolitan Transportation Authority to examine bringing No. So feeding more traffic into LEX which is so crowded while it actually misses the work destinations for most of these new riders might not be the best way to go. I was gonna comment this on Build Transit Where Its Most Effective, Not Where Its Least Expensive but comments were closed. 34 St- Penn Station. [10] The unfinished upper level station was to be built for a subway line down Utica Avenue as part of the IND Second System.[11]. This also makes me question realigning existing radial services into SAS. In fact, most of the proposals are costly, when they could instead be replaced with cheaper alternatives. B: I wouldnt worry much about curves coming into terminals. If you check out the MTA report I sourced for the Rogers Junction rebuild you can see the two options. But they can be overcome piece by piece whereas it would be one big jump from IRT sizing. Have it dip underground just long enough to have its platforms below the 18 Ave station (dont want to add any elevated curves) and then rise up for Ditmas whose support structure was designed for four tracks. Ok, I understand you so desperately want the Rogers Junction to be rebuilt. Even before revenue service or full tunnels were dug the six-track station was a relic of another era. [7] The outer track walls are made of tile and have a maroon trim line with a dark maroon border. Lets see how we might mitigate the new round of issues you brought up. But thats how I see it. I realize it looks like Im being hypercritical but thats challenge. You took the time to write a response but not to read what I wrote? Also as Vanshookenraggen stated, the IND Utica Av Station will have to be teared up and relocated. Even with CBTC you are limited to about 10-12 tph on each of the (now) three local services (it most definitely does not turn out 15tph on both local service now, closer to 15tph for both combined). It would reduce the need for bus transfers. C, the yard that would be built over the bus depot would be able to host more trains (btw can it be named Marine Park Yards or Mill Basin Yards) seeing that it is smaller. That ramp was installed as part of the original BMT plans around 1917. An additional part of the project would be to create a better terminal at Flatbush Ave-Brooklyn College. In the station, there are ornate doors in the tile walls which serve as vent chambers. Off-center over roadway. Crown Heights-Utica Avenue is a station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. This is to avoid overcrowding issues at Franklin/Nevins, and to provide more alternatives along each corridor. A, closer station spacing, only holds against full-length express trains. So your service pattern would look something like this, which is perfectly doable, north of 63rd Q, T to Fulton local, 15TPH each Especially for a line such as the 5 that lacks walking distance stations in comparison to the Nostrand Avenue line. The Culver Viaduct is at maximum 90 feet wide requiring it take up half the block (Brooklyn blocks like these are 200 feet wide). It lets light through the middle And as mentioned before, an IRT branch off of Eastern Pkwy should be built instead to reduce this amount of cost, except the (3) should be rerouted there instead of the (5). And that nine has the corresponding capacity of 12 A Division runs. Hidden behind a tall chain-link fence and gate is a tunnel that's been virtually untouched since it was built in the 1980s. Anyone? Connecting the currently planned SAS to Fultons local tracks involves building zero junctions and minimal interlining. Keep in mind that they wouldnt remove the existing switches so that trains from Brooklyn College could still reverse at Franklin and access New Lots or Utica. Theres only four local stations and it could probably crawl through three of them in a skip-stop with the C. You were playing around with skip-stop on Nostrand; maybe itd make sense here. The 8th Ave Subway was designed to replace the 9th Ave El, the 6th Ave and 2nd Ave Subways to replace elevateds running above their avenues. The station's other fare control area has two staircases going down to each platform, a crossover, part-time turnstile bank and customer assistance booth, high entry/exit turnstiles that provide full-time access to and from the station, and two staircases going up to either side of Fulton Street between Stuyvesant and Schenectady Avenues. These technological limitations were shortly overcome and the only IRT line that doesnt use part of this original line is the 7 which is limited by the Steinway Tunnel. The Fulton route would have a bottleneck closer in at the crossings around Hoyt-Schermerhorn. In the Bronx the Grand Concourse Subway was designed to at least compete with the Jerome Ave elevated if not eventually replace it and in Brooklyn the Fulton St Subway was built to replace the Fulton El out to Queens with provisions built to allow a connection with the Jamaica Ave elevated. An article today about from Second Avenue Sagas about the 7 line extension station at Hudson Yards, awaiting passengers as the rest of the mega development is completed, reminded us of these.. 6. A 2 track line would only require half the space, 45 feet and with 100ft lots this leaves room for an ingenious workaround. The station has four tracks and two island platforms, typical for a four-track express station. I see no value in that whatsoever. Nice ideas so far! South 4 St Passenger service: Never completed. Yes, and I mentioned that in the article. Im more in support of an IRT Utica Avenue subway and now you made a Rogers Junction plan clear. But this does not deal with the immediate needs of those that live along Utica Ave. Building an extension of the IRT could be opened long before the section through northern Brooklyn and would have immediate benefits by serving more riders with direct service rather than requiring transferring. That gives you much more cacapity to work with than just the 10 tph you be stuck with via your plan (assuming you mean to have it be the Queens Blvd branch of 2nd Ave). So heres my workup for a design toolkit of el popularizing methods: 1. In the 1929 plan, one set of tracks would have led down Stuyvesant Ave., crossing the IND Fulton St. Line at Utica Ave. where another shell station and some unused mezzanines live and continuing down Utica Ave. and to Marine Park. el structures around Broadway Junction. . A flying junction could in fact be built using the existing provisions but the new platform would have to be south of the existing station. The New Lots branch of the IRT ascends to the surface right after it leaves Eastern Parkway (due very much to the terrain) and it would make sense that the IRT would have the Utica Line do the same. The gritty, graffiti-ridden New York City subway system is quite a character in Joker. [11]:194[7], On March 19, 1913, New York City, the Brooklyn Rapid Transit Company, and the IRT reached an agreement, known as the Dual Contracts, to drastically expand subway service across New York City. Anyone bemoaning the fact that President St. and Nostrand Ave arent connected? [14] The line was to be extended along Flatbush Avenue and Eastern Parkway to Buffalo Street as a four-track subway line, and then along East 98th Street and Livonia Avenue to New Lots Avenue as an elevated two-track line, with provisions for the addition of a third track. Another diamond crossover, east of here, connects the southbound express track to a ramp down to the lower level. [30] In 2015, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio announced his proposal for an extension of the 3 and 4 trains down Utica Avenue. [16], The IRT Eastern Parkway Line was built as part of Route 12 from 1915 to 1918. Furthermore, the neighborhoods in northern Brooklyn through which the first part of the line would run are already served by existing subways. Eastern Parkway & Utica Avenue. And theres no room there for it. They are not evenly shared. Perhaps you are discounting the Fulton St. And this angle within the station level might be improved if it were to be reworked for two tracks instead of four with no fresh excavation needed. Arent they doing The station opened on August 23, 1920, as part of an extension of the IRT Eastern Parkway Line by the Interborough Rapid Transit Company. After the 1990s renovation of the Utica Avenue station, the mezzanine was shortened using cinder-block walls and the current tiling in the intermediate level, hiding the chain-link fence and the door behind it. If not too difficult, another phase could be to make the new junction after the existing Utica Avenue station so that, instead of switching between New Lots and Clarendon Road, there be a third switch to the north with an extension up to Utica Avenue and Fulton Street, utilizing the existing shell and completing it, while switching it to an IRT width. Go for a . Six other lines would have to be widened for it to stay as the 4. Anyway: I think that lots of expansions where there is no ROW to just place cars on, instead could be put into service as light rail (granted there are no obstacles like narrow roads and triggered politicians who cause everything to stop working) could be a nice supplement to the subway (free transfers too!) 1,2. (This post was also meant for a different article.). The second is a simple addition of new switches which is what Im going with. But I think it was for a different one than the four you give. And D, when the line is being built, less lanes will have to be teared up. Excellent nonetheless. It looks to be about two miles long. Given that the L is now the busier of the two lines and needs relief, badly, it would be much more sensible IMO to go east across E 7 St to stations at Tompkins Square Park, Metropolitan/Bedford, Hope/Union (G) (L), Humboldt/Montrose (L), and Myrtle Av (J)(M)(Z), to provide a faster alternative to the L. I dont really think theres much value in duplicating Broadway services just because S 4 St exists. The Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. Remember any from of transit is only used when planning for the future such as the L train renovations and Clark tunnel reconstruction. BBGUN63. 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