senor ortiz All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. '', On his way to work each day, Lolich stopped for breakfast at a doughnut shop and became friends with the proprietor, who offered him a partnership. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. December 24, 2001 Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. Shickhaus Franks November 19, 2002 But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. That's more realistic but generous, I think! That's pretty good this day in age. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. He later came back to play for the Padres. I remember that the Daily News at the time would have a one-page section on Sunday that showed some of the athletes with their families away from the ballpark. eddiek Jim Snedeker He later came back to play for the Padres. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. support. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. John Bruce Mickey Lolich so despised the Mets experience that he sat home and ate donuts for a year rather than play again in New York. He says he has only one regret over his abbreviated football career"I wish I'd made more money. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Has anyone ate at these prior establishments? Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976. Mike B In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. Bartolo Colon etc). Jim Snedeker Peter Shari June 11, 2003 I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. You can't be serious. No contest. Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Doug S. support. March 5, 2006 You can't trade Rusty Staub without instantly improving team speed". His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Rusty played another decade. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. February 28, 2003 Poignant. He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. Randy Tate October 13, 2008 And complaining about how fat he was? In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. Raymond Malcuit Jr. Raymond Malcuit We are going all the way!" December 13, 2007 The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Mickey liked his doughnuts. October 4, 2006 When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. End of Line Ken Akerman He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. Lolich said there was ''no turmoil inside of me'' watching the game, because he was too far away to second-guess the Tiger pitchers. He started 45 games and completed 29. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. He started 45 games and completed 29. The building at 801 S. Lapeer Road started out as a farm house in the 1860s then converted into a restaurant in the 1930s (Buckhorn Inn). Ramblin' Pete As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Rusty played another decade. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. The men who have led the Mets, and the men who helped them. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. Ken Akerman Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. - Now for the trade itself. Born September 12, 1940 Add or change photo on IMDbPro Donut Shoppe Patron Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. September 25, 2013 HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. December 20, 2019 May 6, 2003 My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. If he had finished his career in Detroit, he probably would have been elected to the Hall Of Fame, with perhaps two more seasons of 15 wins. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Shari Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. Stu Baron Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. October 4, 2005 Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. June 30, 2019 (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. So Wood handed Lolich two of his 14 losses that season, and two of Wood's 22 wins came against Mickey. Jamey Bumbalo Eventually, Lolich agreed and worked both jobs for a time, serving doughnuts at dawn in a three-piece suit and then peddling A. C. Spark Plugs or Buick lighters. It was not made for the purpose of improving the team. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? I still remember the Mets broadcast team trying to build him up in the eyes of the fans because he had been a Cy Young award winner. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. December 13, 2007 During the resort era 1897-1900's, Assembly Island (formerly Spencer Island and now Bellevue Island) was the main stage for traveling acts. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! NO WAY he was 170 pounds. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. Stu Baron When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. John Bruce August 11, 2015 snook You can't be serious. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. I was 7 years old, listening to the Mets on the radio in the car with my mother. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. 6'1", 170???? I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. We are going all the way!" Mike B Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? Raymond Malcuit In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. September 12, 2002 He started 45 games and completed 29. Lolich was a good pitcher in his prime - he won 3 games in the '68 Series vs. the Cardinals, including Game 7. Mike B Really? Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. December 24, 2001 Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. November 10, 2002 As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. Shari (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Rusty played another decade. Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. April 23, 2003 Cut him some slack. April 23, 2003 Rusty played another decade. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Mickey Lolich was born on 12 September 1940 in Portland, Oregon, USA. pete He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Baseball burnt him out. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). Mr. Sparkle As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Mr. Sparkle Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). Dianna Jeanneh Jones But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? August 7, 2018 October 4, 2005 Dianna Jeanneh Jones He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. Mickey Lolich so despised the Mets experience that he sat home and ate donuts for a year rather than play again in New York. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. I also had the unfortunate opportunity to score the game against the Phillies where pitcher Larry Christensen belted TWO home runs off Lolich on a hot Sunday afternoon. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. pete Named to Michigan Hall of Fame, 1982, Oregon Hall of Fame, 1984. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. =Chuck= In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. December 20, 2019 He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. Mickey Lolich pitched for 16 years in the major leagues, the first 13 with the Detroit Tigers. He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. No put-down of Mickey, but that teamed needed Staub much more than they needed another pitcher. =Chuck= He started 45 games and completed 29. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. September 29, 2007 But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. April 24, 2003 April 6, 2012 Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Fact is Lolich was always overweight. Mickey got to his feet briefly with the help of a cane and his 76-year-old former catcher Jim Price to toss the ball. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Rusty played another decade. Max Power I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. It would appear that the one party who was jobbed in the deal was Lolich himself. May 8, 2003 Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. feat fan bogeyman According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Fact is Lolich was always overweight. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. 170 lbs.? In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. 3-time MLB All-Star who started more games as a pitcher than anyone in Detroit Tigers history. Baseball burnt him out. murphy Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Randy Tate Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. November 3, 2006 Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. The point is he made a bad team worse. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. 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