in fundamentalism for pastors and churches and ministries to just gloss over and sweep under the rug things of absolute epic proportion, he said in the video. They sent their kids to Bob Jones and Pensacola the only choices permitted to them. Every abortion, without exception, is murder. Hundreds of Sex Abuse Allegations Found in Fundamentalist BaptistChurches, Fea wrote, following the Star-Telegrams report. Thou shalt not eat at a restaurant on Sunday. They kept what they needed. Cathy, if you had read more of what Bruce wrote, you would see that your simplistic message isnt necessary. See her report here: Hundreds Accuse Independent Baptist Pastors of Abuse.. You are to rule over him as a benevolent sovereign. On the bare legs or bottom, switch him eight or ten licks; then, while waiting for the pain to subside, speak calm words of rebuke. I would be more impressed if your god, who is supposed to be omnipotent, couldnt just save everyone. But I find it believable (which is not to say that I believe it, if you appreciate the distinction). I vaguely recognize some of the standards that you mentioned, but not to the extreme that you have described them. The items you are questioning are not the "doctrine" of independent fundamental Baptists. This is a difficult question to answer because IFB is not a denomination, and each church is independent, but there are Fundamentalist fellowships and congresses which have met on rare occasion and have mentioned Calvinism. I've been looking for a church that does baptisms and a church up the road does them. From the time I can remember (3-4 years old) I knew in the back of my mind it was all bullshit filled with lies and hypocrisy. God has greatly blessed this ministry, which now averages nearly 3,000 a week in attendance. Baptists are one of the few religious groups whose adherents dispute their own beginnings. One alleged abuser went on to serve as an administrator in a Christian school in a different state, even after Shiflett warned the schools pastor. We look at what the Bible says about modern day issues and life problems. And the all important, Thou shalt not, never, under no circumstances, not even in thought, criticize the pastor. Gods anointed, remember! If you spend any time covering sexual abuse story, any belief that congregations are never complicit in abuse and cover-up goes evaporates quickly. Still, Giovanelli found a soft landing at Immanuel Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Florida, where he is an associate pastor and head of the churchs book publication arm. And despite all you've been through, here you are now! Hyles flight to safety has become a well-worn path for ministers in the independent fundamental Baptist movement. You ought to repent of this attitude and behavior while you are yet alive and repair your relationship with a God who undoubtedly still loves you, and stop taking an active hand in encouraging others to sin against a Holy God and ensuring their damnation. You served them that way. While practices can vary from church to church, independent fundamental Baptists do share some core beliefs, according to Christianity Today: that the Bible is the divinely inspired and inerrant word of God, for example, and that people should use only the King James Version of the text.Independent fundamental Baptists refrain from engaging in pop culture and many also home-school their kids. Cat got his tongue? What's Wrong with the Independent Fundamental Baptists? Dreherlives in Baton Rouge, La. And if they failed to treat that greatest of gifts with the sacrosanct respect it deserves, then shame on them. God changes his mind several times in the Bible. Any issues, even legal issues, go to the pastor first, not the police. Oh my. The Star-Telegram discovered at least 412 allegations of sexual misconduct in 187 independent fundamental Baptist churches and their affiliated institutions, spanning 40 states and Canada. Look at centralized Catholicisms opportunity to shuffle priests from one parish to another, few questions asked. The Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination paints a picture of God also as one who is a military leader, unhappy with all the disobedience happening among his people and patiently waiting for when he can punish us and correct our deviant behavior. You cant question your leaders, Hardy said. We were you at one time. Other Christians who were once, or who would once have been, clearly a part of the fundamentalist camp Al Mohler, Ken Ham, David Barton, etc. During the 1970s and 1980s, Falwell seemed to operate in a space somewhere between the independent Baptist world of his upbringing and the neo-evangelicalism of Billy Graham andChristianity Today. For a sense of what this second-degree or double-separation means, think of Bob Jones dismissive definition of an evangelical: Someone who says to a liberal: Ill call you a Christian if you call me a scholar. Independent. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the 1920s. Yelling, storytelling, and moralism replaced proclaiming simply what God has said. Questions About Independent Fundamental Baptists, Leighton Flowers, & Justin Peters Right Response Ministries 36K subscribers Subscribe 10K views 1 month ago GEORGETOWN Can you name one thing. A new website has launched with the aim of helping single New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist (NIFB) find each other for hopes of love and matrimony, with a niche focus and stringent guidelines being a feature, not a bug. He might not be guilty of the allegation, but notice how the church network is still allowing a man publicly accused of sexual abuse to minister. Thanks! Many watch movies in their home.what is the difference? Your word is final. But they also have a high regard for the Bible. IFB takes the "I" in its title extremely seriously; they are nothing if not independent. They usually have a loose association with other Baptist churches, but they are self-governed, not governed by the association. Maybe so. Thou shalt not look at pornography, and if thou dost thou shalt delete thy browsing history so thy wife of thy youth dost not find it, and thou shalt confess thy sins at the alter on Sunday morning.Thou canst repeat this cycle each week for the lord hast made provision for modern man if he dost confess his sins before god each day and every Sunday. So, down through the centuries, the . Transportation Services Coordinator. In America, a former member of the Church of England, Roger Williams, separated from officials in the Massachusetts Bay Colony over his belief about church functions. Toledo, Maumee, Bowling Green, Lima, Findlay all relatively large communities. This is especially important, since the pastor needs his bodyguard detail rotated every so often. He cries in pain. *, At Christianity Today, Kate Shellnut offers a short, helpful summary of the Star-Telegrams horrifying findings, along with some reporting on how the independent fundamentalist Baptist community is responding to its revelations (not well). One particularly painful experience of nursing mothers is the biting baby. They kept what worked for them. It upheld what it believed to be. So men cant have facial hair but women can? Bruce, you and many of those that comment to your posts are a help to me. This list also sounds similar to what Adventists practiced. [8] They refuse any form of ecclesial authority other than that of the local church. His manner of teaching is rough and salted with racist comments about Black folks. This is an independent fundamental Baptist program that has chapters in churches all across the country. We may read these stories of sexual abuse in churches, and tell ourselves that if something like that happened in our church, we would stand up for what is right. Contributors control their own work and posted freely to our site. I would not have returned a clergyman to his former parish after what transpired but out of pastoral sensitivity to the desires of the overwhelming numbers of parishioners who sought his return, he said. READ THE REST OF THE SERIES: Part 1: Southern Baptist sexual abuse spreads as leaders reject reforms. I subjected myself to such rules for decades, believing I was obeying God. (2) Evangelical culture has a conference and lecture circuit with celebrities and quasi-celebrities who come to cities for weekend workshops and one-night lectures that provide opportunities to sin and go, leaving behind casualties. Even my Southern Baptist Church wasnt this strict! I got a good laugh reading the list brought back some not so good memories from my time in a IFB church. Will you join us? The central role of white supremacy explicit and implicit in the independent fundamentalist Baptist movement deserves more study and more insight than I can easily provide. You're the power. It's not just Baptist Churches; most organize denominations are in one way or another legalistic. It surrenders far too much to allow that fundamental refers to the core doctrines of the Christian faith. The fundamentals of fundamentalists are mainly not that at all, but rather a host of relatively recent doctrinal innovations, such as inerrancy. They also typically teach that the translators of the . Can LGBTQ people join your church, teach Sunday school, preach? I grew up with kids who were in churches like that one. The church I grew up in dwelt somewhere in that space. It wasnt long before I traveled the road to liberal Christian to agnostic atheist. Thou shalt not have sex with other women in the church but thou canst eye fuck them when they sit in front of you in church, and can corner them after church and have awkwardly flirty conversations with them when they are trying to leave because youre a fucking awkward creep. Thou shalt not work a job as a woman even if thou canst afford the private school and live in a shitty house because your husband spends all his after tax money on the private school and tithing. Some of the best godly preachers like Jonathan Edwards and Charles Haddon Spurgeon were Baptists. The writings that I've read from former IFBs are some of the strongest testimonies to the strength and decency of the human spirit I've ever come across. Their page says "Our church is a friendly fundamental Bible-believing Independent Baptist . I may yet end up in Hell myself, but I wont see you there, nor will you see me. NOT so that we can all march over there and say "huzzah! Great emphasis is placed on the literal interpretation of the Bible as the primary method of Bible study. If you have to sit on him to spank him then do not hesitate. Ug, stupid auto correct. A one-foot ruler, or its equivalent in a paddle, is a sufficient alternative. Pastor Stacey Shiflett finally had enough: For Shiflett, the issue was personal. And they used the best of who you are, and the best of what you have to give, to feed those lies. Pray tell, Kathy, what are you going to tell me about the Bible that I dont already know? Brightseat Rd + Third St. $43,000 - $55,000 a year. The co-founder, Paul Kingsbury, recently was forced to leave his position at North Love Baptist Church in Rockford, Ill., for his role in helping a sex . The pharmacists priest even told her and her husband to leave the parish, because their presence was causing too much discomfort there. I pray for all of you. Bruce is now a humanist and an atheist. This bit from John Fea is particularly helpful: While neo-evangelicals read periodicals likeChristianity Today, fundamentalist Baptists read John R. RicesThe Sword of the Lord. Henry, John Harold Ockenga and others sought to separate themselves from the label fundamentalist and seek out a more irenic, culturally-engaged version of conservative Protestantism, some descendants of the original fundamentalist movement of the 1920s were not very happy about it. Where you write the rules. Dr. R has some real practical theology problems. So hard to tell if it is a cult. The American Ideas Institute is a nonprofit, non-partisan 501(c)(3) organization based in Washington, D.C. 2022 The American Conservative, a publication of The American Ideas Institute. When he got in trouble, Hyles was able to simply move on, from one church assignment to the next. I spent thousands and thousands of hours reading and studying the Bible. In New York, a couple of Greek Orthodox nuns are protesting the reinstatement of a priest to a parish there after he admitted to unspecified inappropriate conduct with women, and a diocesan spiritual court recommended that he not be returned to that parish. It upheld what it believed to be the true spirit of fundamentalism amid changes in the conservative Protestant landscape. They are going out of their way to send a few to heaven, while you are going out of your way to send a few more to hell. In any case, we are definitely living in the end times before the 2nd coming of Christ. although it is rushed and depends on the persons' response. Pastors of large churches and leaders of fundamentalist institutions such as Bob Jones, John R. Rice, and Jack Hyles still identified with the label fundamentalist. This movement was characterized by a staunch commitment to biblical orthodoxy filteredthrough the King James Bible, an adherence to second-degree separation or that idea that Christians must separate themselves frombothunbelievers (the world)andfellow conservative Protestants who did not separate sufficiently enough from unbelievers (Billy Graham and the rest of the neo-evangelicals fell into this second category), and a propensity for strong white preachers who ran independent congregations that were not accountable to denominations. The study of literature no longer animates students' minds and souls. Even though its hard to get much farther on the theological spectrum from Catholicism than an independent fundamental Baptist church, this is exactly what happened in the Catholic Church. Defeat him totally. He may not be able to sleep, but he can be trained to lie there quietly. I've heard of Dan Souza, but that's about all. We were in that same space somewhere between fundamentalism and CT-style evangelicalism that Jerry Falwell Sr. found himself in. The name Independent Fundamental Baptist Church is used traditionally by churches which pattern themselves strictly after the example of the early church, as found in the New Testament. July 20, 2020 News Division. Her community turned on her, even though she was defending their health; most of the people in the community worked at local chemical plants, and they feared that the pharmacists allegations would cost them their jobs. Then Hyles would yell from the pulpit that If the barn needed paintingand the men would hoopla with their Bibles waving in the air. This letter is in downloadable as a PDF here. Praise god amen we were unharmed.except for being fucked mentally for years. All of it so true and I laughed out loud at some of them!!! I hope you have figured out by now that you have really stepped in the proverbial shit pile. Students may be expelled at any time, for any reason, if the president of the school deems the reason sufficient (my 2nd grade brother was expelled for defiance). I remember thinking what an idiot he was. But evangelicals should recognize that clerical sex abuse is widespread, and some evangelical and fundamentalist churches do cover up problems and pass them on to others. They try to control people and do evangelize. Tags: Independent Fundamental Baptist The Gospel Kent Brandenburg's Assessment of Independent Baptists By Jim Apr 29 2015 And there are Baptist ch. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. I would add that all church communities are at risk of condemning the victims for the sake of maintaining the community, and the illusion that all is well. 1 2 3. (Please note: if thou art truly right with God, the only acceptable team to pull for is Michigan State). Its pastor is divinely appointed and accountable to no earthly authority. I was rejected by two independent fundamentalist Baptist congregations in two different states, but I stand in their defense. I had the pleasure of hearing Dr. Roberson, a couple of times, when I was in College! Jessop is a former member of the FLDS (fundamentalist, polygamist Mormons) and her story has a lot of parallels with Zichterman's. I haven't read this particular FLDS memoir . I pastored Evangelical churches IFB, Southern Baptist, Christian Union, Sovereign Grace, and non-denominational for 25 years. Fundies forget that God can do a sudden I have changed my mind crazy Ivan on them at any moment. They controlled the process except for the final approval. Landmarkism began as a movement in the mid-1800's mainly in the Southern Baptist Convention. That space between he describes as the world of Jerry Falwell has grown over the years. Think, learn, and dont be a judgmental asshole. You loved them in that (and a million other) ways. Here has been a few problems that caused divisions in the body of Christ thanks to some Independent Fundamental Baptists: 1.) You are a lying snake and lost as Hogan's goat." Pastor Tom Cassidy, First Baptist Church, Spring Valley, CA It is sinful for a woman to dress in any way that might cause a man to spiritually stumble by having even the slightest lustful thought. Now, gentlemen we have a problem in the Independent Baptist movement. But what of the grouch who would rather complain than sleep? A 2016 report on the university's handling of sexual assault found a "fundamental failure by Baylor to implement Title IX." The report noted "that Baylor's efforts to implement Title IX were. If you are a young woman, thou shalt wear knee-length dresses, with hose and heels at summer camp in the woods in the red clay mud when it rains. God's Grace bible study podcast is a Independent Fundamental Baptist pobcast we use the KJV 1611 only. Bruce pastored Evangelical churches for twenty-five years in Ohio, Texas, and Michigan. The primary function of a woman is to have children, who then become her mission field. Because today the media's primary food source is outrageousness, the IFB receives an inordinate amount of media attention. or a year or whatever. What does the description of an "Independent Fundamental Baptist" Church mean? Both times, people knew about his would-be abusers behavior and did nothing to stop it. A few members of that church were hard-core, old-school fundies. sigh Do you realize how offensive your words are to unbelievers; people who struggled and agonized over leaving Christianity? The Fort Worth Star-Telegram has done some very impressive and important reporting in its long special report on sexual abuse and cover-ups in independent fundamental Baptist churches across the country. I wasnt surprised at all when I heard he had an affair with his secretary. This past summer, amid new stories of Catholic sex abuse, the Evangelical magazine Worldcautioned its readers not to make the mistake of thinking that it cannot and does not happen in Protestant churches. Generally speaking howe. It's you who are singing the songs that need to be heard. The Independent Baptist Fellowship is the end-product of the legacy journey that started some 60 years ago. The beliefs are mainly Baptist and fundamentalist. UGH!!!! There are other problems among fundamentalist Baptists as well as Homophobia : "I told her that I was raped and how violent it was and how I was terrified it would happen again. Only the KJV will be used in this group; please check . As I once told a liberal congregation, the IFB church I grew up in had an eleventh commandment in their Bibles, Thou shalt not [fill in the blank]. Sarcasm, yes, however, I swear they half the time they invented it as they went along. And like everyone else in the world you want that love to mean something, to be incorporated into and desired by something worthy of it. Ernest Willis found guilty of raping teen Tina Anderson, a fellow church member. I am still a very committed Christian, but I was thankfully out of the IFB world once I left for college (a secular university). Women not wearing pants, women not working, women being not allowed to speak up in church, have any sort of leadership role, etc. Look at the Catholic ban on priestly marriage, and the pressures that creates. You are also agreeing to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. Please read the commenting rules before commenting. Jack Hyles preached at our Christian school (1978) and Proclaimed that it was a sin for a boy to wear anything but white underwear, and also a sin if a boy didnt have his hair buzz cut on the back ! At least three other teen girls would accuse Hyles of sexual misconduct, but he never faced charges or even sat for a police interview related to the accusations. IndependentBaptist.com was founded in an attempt to bring back the principles that lifted our movement in the 60's and 70's and that need to be revived in this day. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches believe that the authority to baptize was given to the first church, organized by our Savior. (And yes, martial arts are ok, even though they originated from Asian sources; well win those yellow devils to Jesus, eventually). Of course not. To know is to be responsible. These other distinctions, distinctives and emphases all serve, in varying degrees, as proxies for that.). Part 3: All . And before you move on to other people to evangelize, consider that many former Evangelicals know the Bible inside and out. If thou dost sin and eat at a restaurant (due to the slothful disposition of thy wife), then thou shalt leave a tract for the server-never a tip. Ugh. But Black Baptists reject the MAGA revolution that has taken the GOP, and the SBC, by storm. Im not. Independent Baptists are not part of any denominational organization, such as the Southern Baptist Convention. The Pew Forum on Religious and Public Life puts IFB members at 2.5 percent of Americans. Pendleton (1811-1891). Firstly, I agree with Dr. John R. Rice (1895-1980) that there's no such thing as "The Baptist Church." The Body of Christ is composed of believers from Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist and numerous other Christian denominations. Johannes Vermeer's treatment of love distinguished him from his peers. I went with you to Fundamentalist and Fresh Oil conferences, Pastors' School, Missions, and Youth Conferences. I know that they are KJV only and Arminian. History of Landmarkism. They kept what they wanted. Addendum: Thousand shalt not even THINK about piercing ANYTHING below the waste! Men alone are suited to be the head of home and church. The biggest difference would be in the way they practice separation. The basic beliefs of this group is Anti-LGBT, Misogyny, Anti-Worldliness, KJV Bible only, anti-semitism, and more. This means that there are approximately 7.85 million IFBs in America today. I sometimes post on another board and (hopefully its ok) I would like to link a thread that is going on over there. If she doesnt approve of this, tough; she shouldve thought of that before she married you. What a list! My mom grew up with this rule but never was told why. I am curious why the Ifb doesnt want Christians to go to the movie theatre? Most of those victims dont live in Fort Worth. Amendment though shalt say amen during service but only if you are male. It was an independent church, and it was fundamentalist, and Baptist, but it was not an IFB independent fundamentalist Baptist church. Can same-sex couples be married in your church? Thou shalt take your wife out to lunch on Friday afternoon; this is your allotted time with her. You brought the goods to the table. It tried to explain and figure out why IFB churches seem to be drying up and closing their doors. Get tough. Accept no conditions for surrender. Im thinking right now of a case from the early 1990s in which a small-town Louisiana pharmacist who noticed that she was handling an extraordinary number of prescriptions for a rare cancer drug, and spoke out. Enforcing King James only-ism down the throats in some of their groups. Bruce Gerencser, 65, lives in rural Northwest Ohio with his wife of 44 years. It uses the Bible to "treat" everything from porn addiction to drug addiction. Learn More. a couple of Greek Orthodox nuns are protesting the reinstatement of a priest, Todays Psychology Cant Help American Men. I have been independent fundamental Baptist churches since I was four. I surrendered to preach, and was called to the Lord's ministry as a result of growing up in an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church. The Lord Jesus Christ Saves - His Plan of Salvatio Real Men Love Pink A Collection of Quotes by A. W. Pink, Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry. Image Conscious A case in which an adult woman publicly accused a prominent pastor of having manipulated her at age 16 into giving him oral sex and having an adulterous relationship: When Giovanelli resigned from Golden State Baptist College after the abuse allegation went viral, the chancellor of the college and the pastor of its affiliated church asked the congregation to pray for the church, the college, and the Giovanelli family. The reason why Im so fervent, so passionate about it this morning is because I relived all of those feelings of what its like to be abused and the one that does the abuse is the one that always comes out the other side smelling like a rose and goes down the road to another church so he can do it again to somebody else.. And in a real and important sense you will always love them. It's chief spokesman was J.R. Graves (1820-1893) and other key early figures include A.C. Dayton (1813-1865) and J.M. I thank God for that newspaper and what it has done for His children. Don't hold it against me. . (1)"I put him on the "auto trash" list because he never offers anything that is edifying, or even Biblical, but just his snide remarks and liberal/protestant opinions!" (2) "You are not my brother. Glory to God alone. 3. Meant to be taken literally, the KJV is inspired, inerrant, infallible, and the supreme and final authority in all things.

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